We beleive this to be the best red climber on the market to date. It has no perfume which puts people of but unless you like climbing ladders then this would be a problem. We always say performance in climbers is much more important than perfume as you cant get up that high to smell them anyway. Stick to bushes if perfume is so important but this red is the best by far. It ticks all the boxes - apart from perfume.